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September 23rd, 2015 09:00

HELP using NDMP Snapshots NetBackup, Celerra, DataDomain

Hi, 

Looking for hints, confirmations of functionality and assumptions from the community in the bullets below.  This seems like it would be a simple setup but the docs just do not connect the dots.  REF: NetBackup77_RepDirector_Guide.pdf

Background

  I've ben trying to setup NetBackup 7.7 to use Replication Director for a Snapshot copy of my Celerra volumes. 

Cases open with EMC and Symantec for weeks but neither seem to know how this is done.   (So much for payed support).

I have some strait NDMP policies that work fine and some that fail due to file changes mid backup etc... It was recommended that the most optimal solution would be to use Replication Director and NetBackup to "snapshot" the volumes and NDMP them to my DataDomain. 

I have 2 storage pools on the Celerra 2 from a VNX5300 and one from VMAX.   The volume sizes range from 14TB to 20GB.

All data movers configured identically. 

Q: My understanding from docs is that after NDMP is already setup I do not need to do any more Celerra configuration or do I need to create a storage pool specifically for snapshots ?  And if so how large does it need to be ?

Q: In this setup does the snapshot make a 1:1 copy or is it a COW snapshot that would just contain changes since the snaptime?

If anyone care to share their experience here I'd love to talk shop and compare notes.

Thanks

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September 24th, 2015 15:00

I've worked with Netbackup 6.5 through 7.5, and integrated Celerra and VNX with NDMP backups.  In each case, I've always the native Celerra/VNX snapshots with the backup process.  If you look at the EMC document, Configuring NDMP Backups on VNX, it provides good instructions on not only on setup, but also on the use of several flags you can add to your policy.

On VNX and Celerra, you can add SNAPSURE=y to the NBU policy.  This tells the Celerra to create a temporary snapshot to be used for backup purposes, providing a consistent image of data on disk.  At the end of the backup, the snapshot is deleted.  This is described in the guide.

Q: My understanding from docs is that after NDMP is already setup I do not need to do any more Celerra configuration or do I need to create a storage pool specifically for snapshots ?  And if so how large does it need to be ?


If you are already using snapshots with your VNX and Celerra, you do not need to configure anything special or unique for snapshots called by NDMP backups.  You can, however, create snapshot pools, if you so choose, then use those pools to hold the SavVol for those filesystems. You can find a few good posts on the forums regarding this, or look at the guide, Using VNX Snapsure.

Q: In this setup does the snapshot make a 1:1 copy or is it a COW snapshot that would just contain changes since the snaptime?

This is covered really nicely in Using VNX Snapsure,  but snapshots are COW and would only contain changes since the creation of the snap.

I've taken NDMP backup of filesystems near the 16TB limit and never found a need to separate my SavVols from the source filesystem.


Let us know if that helps!

Karl

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September 25th, 2015 12:00

Thanks for the response Karl !

I had been looking at those docs and do still see some gaps.   There is no tape unit in this setup. I think it's called a three way backup configuration.  Celerra/IP NDMP -> Media Server -> DataDomain

The biggest unknown is around the storage unit. I can create one fine using the nasadmin and control station hostname but what does that do?  What should I expect to see thin the status window ? 

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