"Texas-based Dell Computers is offering an apology."
"Or to put it more accurately, Dell told an irate customer on Monday that they “regret the inconvenience” caused by selling to the public for years a number of products that the intelligence community has been able to fully compromise in complete silence up until this week."
One customer (if he can be trusted - who doesn't exaggerate when they feel they were mistreated?) - was told by a front-line support agent or his supervisor, who would have absolutely NO knowledge of such a device if it existed - and everyone assumes Dell has admitted and apologized for it? Dell has made no public statement validating the allegations. That is pretty poor reporting. Don't believe everything you read. Besides, you really think the NSA needs their hardware backdoors (eagerly and naively assuming they exist in the first place) to get your [worthless-to-everyone-else] data?
Obviously Dell cares as you can not reply to the previous post.
As for the reset of our society, the "herd" wants safety at all costs, so expect the security complex, which is out of hand already, to provide it at a steep price.
When I replied, it told me the post could no longer be found, but mine still posted, and the thread reappeared a while later - locked. I didn't notice any language that would have gotten it automatically blocked, but I have unlocked it. Dell can delete the thread if they like, but the original thread doesn't amount to anything more than a gossip and conspiracy theory (or maybe defamation is grounds enough to delete it). Either those at the NSA are as bad-A they seem to be, or they just want everyone to believe they are that bad-A ... or it is all just an elaboration and extension of a traitor's science fiction storyline.
"so expect the security complex, which is out of hand already, to provide it at a steep price" ... good point ... I wonder who is positioned (or positioning themselves) to benefit from all this.
If the NSA is listening, could you let me know where my UPS package is at the moment, it is already 4 days late....PS, If you could ask around the agency, I could use a few pasta sauce recipes... you could just bypass my security, please put them in separate screen pop ups... I am partial to Windows classic colors for pop ups...
"I wonder who is positioned (or positioning themselves) to benefit from all this"
Too many to count, I am not even referring to conspiracies.... I will stop now before it becomes a rant :emotion-1:
If the NSA is listening, could you let me know where my UPS package is at the moment, it is already 4 days late....PS, If you could ask around the agency, I could use a few pasta sauce recipes... you could just bypass my security, please put them in separate screen pop ups... I am partial to Windows classic colors for pop ups... Thanks
I'd wager 99.9% of customers' data is worthless to anyone but themselves or their own organization, especially when taken out of context (one from dozens of servers containing pieces of the same puzzle (data)). I didn't say it was worthless junk or worthless period ... just that it is worthless outside of the organization or to anyone else.
4. You likely won't get any further clarification (for now) on the matter than Dell's Chief of Security (in case you missed it being [not] reported in the majority of news stories):
5. What do you want Dell to do? Do you think they have an NSA checkpoint at the loading dock before they are picked up by FedEx/UPS or even on the assembly line before packaging (that would be more convenient)? Sounds like a FedEx/UPS deal to me if they can't keep people out of their packages during shipping (if you believe reports in the first place).
Below is the Dell response. You may post comments about this on the Direct2Dell blog.
Dell is aware of a story originally reported by Der Spiegel, which has subsequently been picked up in other media outlets, that refers to alleged security backdoors implanted by the United States National Security Agency into products from several technology companies, including Dell. Dell has a long-standing commitment to design, build and ship secure products and quickly address instances when issues are discovered. Our highest priority is the protection of customer data and information, which is reflected in our robust and comprehensive privacy and information security program and policies. We take very seriously any issues that may impact the integrity of our products or customer security and privacy. Should we become aware of a possible vulnerability in any of Dell’s products we will communicate with our customers in a transparent manner as we have done in the past. Dell does not work with any government – United States or otherwise – to compromise our products to make them potentially vulnerable for exploit. This includes software implants or so called backdoors for any purpose whatsoever.
John McClurg Vice President and Chief Security Officer Dell
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December 31st, 2013 16:00
"Texas-based Dell Computers is offering an apology."
"Or to put it more accurately, Dell told an irate customer on Monday that they “regret the inconvenience” caused by selling to the public for years a number of products that the intelligence community has been able to fully compromise in complete silence up until this week."
http://rt.com/usa/dell-appelbaum-30c3-apology-027/
One customer (if he can be trusted - who doesn't exaggerate when they feel they were mistreated?) - was told by a front-line support agent or his supervisor, who would have absolutely NO knowledge of such a device if it existed - and everyone assumes Dell has admitted and apologized for it? Dell has made no public statement validating the allegations. That is pretty poor reporting. Don't believe everything you read. Besides, you really think the NSA needs their hardware backdoors (eagerly and naively assuming they exist in the first place) to get your [worthless-to-everyone-else] data?
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January 1st, 2014 07:00
Who cares?.....
Obviously Dell cares as you can not reply to the previous post.
As for the reset of our society, the "herd" wants safety at all costs, so expect the security complex, which is out of hand already, to provide it at a steep price.
theflash1932
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January 1st, 2014 13:00
When I replied, it told me the post could no longer be found, but mine still posted, and the thread reappeared a while later - locked. I didn't notice any language that would have gotten it automatically blocked, but I have unlocked it. Dell can delete the thread if they like, but the original thread doesn't amount to anything more than a gossip and conspiracy theory (or maybe defamation is grounds enough to delete it). Either those at the NSA are as bad-A they seem to be, or they just want everyone to believe they are that bad-A ... or it is all just an elaboration and extension of a traitor's science fiction storyline.
"so expect the security complex, which is out of hand already, to provide it at a steep price" ... good point ... I wonder who is positioned (or positioning themselves) to benefit from all this.
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January 1st, 2014 15:00
Ha ha ... I have my wishlist too :)
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January 1st, 2014 15:00
So lets see, the thread was
1) deleted
2) locked
3) DELL shows up in NSA docs of backdoors yet it is absolutely gossip and conspiracy?
4) asking dell to clarify their position is defamation?
5) somehow the NSA is intercepting dell packages before they reach customers, without any help from dell at all?
but nothing is amiss, move on, nothing to see here.
and great post Flash, by stating that all DELL customers data is worthless junk. You have a way with people.
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January 1st, 2014 15:00
"I wonder who is positioned (or positioning themselves) to benefit from all this"
Too many to count, I am not even referring to conspiracies.... I will stop now before it becomes a rant :emotion-1:
If the NSA is listening, could you let me know where my UPS package is at the moment, it is already 4 days late....PS, If you could ask around the agency, I could use a few pasta sauce recipes... you could just bypass my security, please put them in separate screen pop ups... I am partial to Windows classic colors for pop ups... Thanks
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January 1st, 2014 15:00
"all DELL customers data is worthless junk"
I'd wager 99.9% of customers' data is worthless to anyone but themselves or their own organization, especially when taken out of context (one from dozens of servers containing pieces of the same puzzle (data)). I didn't say it was worthless junk or worthless period ... just that it is worthless outside of the organization or to anyone else.
4. You likely won't get any further clarification (for now) on the matter than Dell's Chief of Security (in case you missed it being [not] reported in the majority of news stories):
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2013/12/30/comment-on-der-spiegel-article-regarding-nsa-tao-organization.aspx
5. What do you want Dell to do? Do you think they have an NSA checkpoint at the loading dock before they are picked up by FedEx/UPS or even on the assembly line before packaging (that would be more convenient)? Sounds like a FedEx/UPS deal to me if they can't keep people out of their packages during shipping (if you believe reports in the first place).
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Below is the Dell response. You may post comments about this on the Direct2Dell blog.
Dell is aware of a story originally reported by Der Spiegel, which has subsequently been picked up in other media outlets, that refers to alleged security backdoors implanted by the United States National Security Agency into products from several technology companies, including Dell. Dell has a long-standing commitment to design, build and ship secure products and quickly address instances when issues are discovered. Our highest priority is the protection of customer data and information, which is reflected in our robust and comprehensive privacy and information security program and policies. We take very seriously any issues that may impact the integrity of our products or customer security and privacy. Should we become aware of a possible vulnerability in any of Dell’s products we will communicate with our customers in a transparent manner as we have done in the past. Dell does not work with any government – United States or otherwise – to compromise our products to make them potentially vulnerable for exploit. This includes software implants or so called backdoors for any purpose whatsoever.
John McClurg
Vice President and Chief Security Officer
Dell