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Optiplex 5090 SFF, upgrade storage?
I am currently using a 3.5 HDD (7200rpm) without an SSD, and I am interested in upgrading to an NVMe SSD. I noticed that there is an M.2 SSD port near the CPU fan, but it has a non-active label near it and no socket to plugin in. I am facing an issue with Windows updates, which take hours to complete and affect my work. The updates run in the background and take up 100% of disk usage, making it difficult to work. Major updates like Windows 22H took over a day (32 hours to be exact) to update and use my device. I am considering upgrading to an NVMe SSD because it has more write/read speed than a SATA SSD. When I normally reboot my device, it takes 30 minutes to free up 100% disk usage, just to use my system. After this, the system works fine. This issue is causing me a lot of stress, and I am wondering what I should do? I did check the specs sheet. As per this i dont see any option, if i go the dell service, will they add it i mean M.2 SOCKET? How does this work?
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June 5th, 2023 01:00
Your OptiPlex 5090 SFF should have an M.2 slot for NVMe SSD. It's located at #6 on the motherboard picture below. No need to contact Dell service to add M.2 socket, technically they can't.
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June 5th, 2023 10:00
That will depend on your technical skills. If you are comfortable to work inside the machine, there is no need for carry-in. Customers install parts such as RAM, storage are not voiding warranty. In fact, to assist you with the process, Dell provides the service manual with instructions for upgrading NVMe drive. You can source the drive and work on it if you choose.
I suggest to have all your important data backup externally before working on the machine. Following the safety precautions such as removing power source and wearing ESD wrist strap.
A new NVMe drive will certainly will speed up overall performance. If you have had software issue(s), it may be better off to perform a clean install of OS.
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Will my issue with windows be fixed if i were to add nvme2 ssd. Do i have to go the carry-in service center to do, this.
Dell ssd seems pricy in-comparison to Other popuplar brands. Even if i were to get the pricy dell ssd which have really low TBW, i would still lose my warranty because of the upgrade. So was wondering, what is the best option for me.
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1. But the warranty i was provided with is no-upgrade warranty for 3 years. Currently 1.5 years have passed.
Am i not upgrading my device by adding ssd in m2 slot?
2. What will be my primary boot drive if i were to install ssd in m2 slot? Do i have change the settings in bios.
3. Is buying dell overpriced ssd even worth it?
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1. I could be wrong here but the term no-upgrade warranty was referring to the warranty policy itself, not about the computer products. The warranty policy is different between regions, check for your actual service contracts.
2. While many others would suggesting to clone your original drive to the new ssd when doing upgrade, I noted that your current hard drive is not performing well as standard. Windows updates should not take over a day to complete or boot time of 30 minutes on a recent OptiPlex model is not acceptable. Therefore, I suggested to do a fresh install on the new nvme ssd and it will be the main boot drive. You can wipe the hard drive (delete all partitions) during Windows installation and use it for data drive. Remember to review the installation process from the link provided earlier. Check BIOS settings and enable AHCI for SATA operation mode.
3. It's a personal choice. Dell brand for OptiPlex 5090 are just rebranded OEM from Samsung, Western Digital, Adata, Micron, and Kioxia.
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https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-m2-pcie-nvme-gen-3x4-class-40-2280-solid-state-drive-512gb/apd/aa618641/storage-drives-media
This is dell version for ssd for my device i think.
I dont know the alternative in samsung.
Is it
a)980-pro-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd-1tb-mz-v8p1t0b-am
b)980-pcie-3-0-nvme-gaming-ssd-1tb-mz-v8v1t0b-am
or something else. like evo plus 970?
Can you please suggest which to use that will work fine in optiplex 5090 sff
should i go for 512GB or 1TB or > 1TB
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June 5th, 2023 22:00
You mentioned. "I noted that your current hard drive is not performing well as standard. "
What do you mean, I checked with crystal disk info application and as well as speccy, both gave me good for my hdd.
Should i get replacement with warranty?
Won't normal hdds, take have similar issues of 100% diskusage for 30 minutes during windows reboots?
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When you check in Dell support website for OptiPlex 5090 storage drivers, you will find firmware updates for those ssd brands which commonly were shipped with OptiPlex 5090 systems.
Your selection of the gen4 Samsung 980 Pro 1tb looks good as it has both value and performance. Although it won't be able to utilize full bandwidth, it's still an overall good choice.
The gen 3 Samsung 980 is a budget item and while the performance is very good, it uses DRAM-less controller, so the write speed will slow down when running out of cache.
As for the original hard drive, based on the information you provided, system boot time was taken up to 30 min for the hard drive to slow down to idle state. A heavy Windows updates would taken over a day to complete. Those were not normal performances for hard drive. But those issues were likely caused by software, not a hardware failure. A SATA hard drive with Windows 10/11 system averagely takes 3 - 5 minutes to complete boot and less than an hour to complete multiple Windows updates. Unless you get some kind of error code such as 2000-0142 at boot, you can't claim warranty.
Those were the reason why I was mentioning bad hard drive performances. Also it was my reasoning for a fresh os install instead of cloning drive image to the new ssd
Although it wasn't mentioned, you may consider to upgrade system ram (memory) as well. Ideally, 16gb of ram is sufficient for normal usage, 64gb and up for heavy or professionals.
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System boot time was taken up to 30 min for the hard drive to slow down to idle state (every reboot including update restarts ). Its not system boot time. I can log into windows as usual, but i can't open applications, since disk usage is 100%.
Ram max usage i have seen is around 8 GB. I don't think RAM is the issue.
If you have time, can you please tell me which is best option for my device. I don't know what to choose for ssd, whether it will be compatible or not. Are there any other versions out there compatible with my device. or is my best option to buy dell version.?
Is crucial any good?
https://www.crucial.in/compatible-upgrade-for/dell/optiplex-5090-small-form-factor#ssd
If possible, can you list what all should i consider while making the purchase for best performance with my device.
Based on the site.
https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-in/optiplex-5090-desktop/d11_optiplex_5090_sff_ss/storage?guid=guid-3f3ccec0-9d0f-41a3-9451-e7b76ba12f65&lang=en-us
i only have gen3x4 not gen4x4 right?
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June 6th, 2023 02:00
After replacing the boot drive to an nvme ssd, you will see the different as day and night and all the issue with system slowness will be gone.
At this current time, the Samsung 980 Pro 1tb has the best value on their site and undisputedly best performance for your machine. The pricing is also very competitive (69 usd).
The M.2 slot on your OptiPlex 5090 is gen3 x4, so a gen4 ssd will perform at gen3 speed, however, it will perform optimally while keeping the controller cool at the same time. You may need to order an M2 screw, and there is no need to search further for ssd.
Don't forget to take precaution steps while working on your components.
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I didn't purchase samsung. I went with crucial p3 500gb comes with m2.screw.
Q1) I have question related to my windows pro license. I have recovery cd provided by dell.
Do i install it from there or i go to microsoft website and download the os from there.
Either way, will windows tag my existing pro license as pirated or something if i went with second option. Do i have to inform windows support regarding the change to ssd?
Q2) https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/product-support/product/optiplex-5090-desktop/drivers.
Am i supposed to get my drivers here?
Q3) Should i update all drivers bios etc before formatting my existing hdd?
Q4) What about the heat generated by ssd, will it damage motherboard?
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A1) A recovery DVD from Dell may contain older OS build version at the time it was made. Download this Windows 10 Creation Tool to a working computer and run it to create an installation media (USB). If you prefer 11, down load this Windows 11 Creation Tool instead. License will be activated for either version of your choice.
A2) Yes, you should get drivers from Dell as they are tested and validated for your system. For a clean install without Dell Assist apps, you just need to install Intel chipset device driver and Intel ME, then run Windows updates to let it installs the rest, including in optional updates. For factory install, you will need to install drivers and utilities in correct order, select only applicable to configurations of your machine.
A3) BIOS firmware should only be updated to fix compatibility issue(s) or system performance. Otherwise, it's up to personal choice as they are also addressing security vulnerability, which may or may not happened to your machine. I'd say leave it alone and update later if you choose to.
A4) You can apply a 5mm thermal pad to the M.2 painted area on motherboard. Otherwise, do not try to fix things that are not broken. After your system is up and running, you can install Crystal Disk Info utility to monitor your SSD health. If the drive temperature gets hot (showing red color), you will need to place a heatsink over the controller area of SSD drive.
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Regarding A4)
What heatsink? I don't see any room for heatsink there. the circuits are too close to m2 slot? I haven't bought one yet. Will it be ok, is there any possibility that heat generated from this m2 2280 ssd will melt the soldering of nearby components?
Will this be ok?
If not using heatsink,
would pasting the thermal pad over designated area damage the motherboard/chipset due to heat being dispersed over the motherboard?
Everyone in youtube tutorials places them on top of the nvme chip. I am confused.
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You only use thermal pad or heatsink if the drive temperature gets too high. Many of the components including the motherboard were baked in the oven during testing process. They can withstand very high operating temperatures and are not going to melt because of the heat generated by nvme drive.
Thermal solution uses pad to transfer heat toward motherboard, do not place thermal pad on top of nvme drive as it has nothing to transfer heat to. Heatsink are installed with clearance and does not interfere with M.2 connector. See example below.
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July 6th, 2023 22:00
One final question.
Do i need to worry about chasis intrusion. system halt error?
Any other configuration to do in bios or anything in hardwire before i proceed with installation of ssd.
Please note i didn't have ssd during purchase.