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October 6th, 2023 05:43

Aurora R4, will this power supply work?

My 2012 computer originally had (x2) AMD Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition video cards in Crossfire and I replaced those two with a Gigabyte AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT. I'm considering doing another video card upgrade with something more powerful or possibly two video cards. The power supply that I have in my Alienware Aurora R4 is the H875EF-00 and I'm wanting to upgrade the power supply to something more powerful. What would be a good upgrade and still be compatible with my wiring harness? Would the Dell H1100EF-00 power supply be compatible with my wiring harness? Will I have to change the wiring harness? Any help would be appreciated. Thank You!!

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October 7th, 2023 23:59

There have been examples of an Aurora R1-R4 owner installing the Area-51 R1 1000w 1100w 1200w PSU since both desktops 'share' the same PSU case harness pinout; those A51 PSUs are several inches longer than the 875w chassis so you'd remove the left-hand hard drive cage, see vid How to install Area 51 PSU

Generally, the Aurora & A51 875w 1000w 1100w 1200w PSUs are very similar in that they each have 18Amp Video Card Rails, yet it also depends on how many Video Card cables your case harness &/or the PSU has, where:

  • x1 18Amp rail x 12V = 216w per cable x2 rails/cables = 432watts output
  • the 875w, 1000w, 1100w & 1200w (J297R) will provide multiple 18Amp rails

Where:

  • Aurora 875w & A51 1000w have two rails & two cables
  • A51 (factory-ordered) 1100w has three rails & three cables 
  • A51 1200w J297R has four rails & four cables (two in the PSU chassis)

1) Only factory-ordered 1100w A51s have that 3rd case harness cable to access that 3rd rail; so in the video, the person claims an 1100w went into that Aurora & yes the pinout is ok to make that swap but he couldn't access the 3rd video rail, not without the 3rd A51 'special plug-in' case harness vid-cable, & since Aurora has just two vid-cables?, that 1100w would act just like a 1000w ... if u tried the 1100w you'd need the 3rd cable but it has no place to plug into the Aurora case harness!, so no real point to buying & trying the 1100w, got it? True the rating is 100w over the 1000w but that's due to the 3rd vid-cable/rail you can't even use ...

2) In fact, because Aurora 875w & A51 1000w each have a pair of 18Amp rails?, they may as well be & are identical rated power supplies, there's no advantage to try to swap up to the A51 1000w ...

3) You could try the 1200w J297R, get four rails + four cables, but in a single-card scenario the extra two cables won't help exactly (it'd behave like your 875w: two rails through two cables plugged into one card etc), thus it may only make sense when using dual-cards (deploy all four cables into two cards etc)

4) The 'best' 1200w PSU is VHM5V, it would provide four cables on a single 'fat' 46Amp video rail & that single rail would power one or two cards ~the same, up to 46Amp x 12V = 550w

Your best bet is to test out your 875w (J556T or W299G) model 1st, see if it works & stays powered on w/out shutting off due to lack of powa, if so then look into J297R or VHM5V, & at worst just buy a Corsair or similar aftermarket PSU of sufficient power rating for your card(s)

Note: J297R is best used w/ two cards, VHM5V is the top choice for one power-hungry card but extra ok for two cards

Note: most aftermarket power supplies tend to have a single 'huge' 12v rail & do not live by rules like how many vid-rails or cables which dictate what u can or can't use etc., while multiple-rail PSUs do have limits based on Amps-per-Rail ratings etc

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November 14th, 2023 06:27

" ... trying to figure out why computer keeps shutting down during benchmark" 

You have x2 vid-cables (BLU-WHT + BLU-YLW) on x2 18Amp video rails (rated @ 216watts each); the side label spec says the combined x5 12v rails A-E shall not exceed 825watts total. A rule of thumb is a rail may / might exceed its rating by ~10% before shutdown (a 1000w single-rail might hit 1100w+ before shutdown) so these 18A rails might hit ~20Amps? ~240watts? Either x1 or x2 video rails exceeded 18-20Amps & shutdown (over-current protection / OCP kicked-in), or, the combined A-E exceeded 825watts +10% = ~900watts & shut-off, or any rail A-E exceeded its rating. Or a vid-card overheated & shutoff (I'm not saying it did). If it games ok, the PSU is still huffing & puffing for your needs. You MIGHT get away w/ an aftermarket PSU of 850watts (single 12volt rail type), more likely u need 1000w+. So more power means install new PSU, since to me, the 10+ year old 875w OEM is at its limit w/ those cards (+ CPU?)

A 'spec sheet' that does not originate from Dell/Alienware.com itself is sus, not sure where u got specs it could run a pair of 300w cards? Below is a 'factory' list of 'approved' (reference) cards as seen on the R1-R4 sales pages at the time, nowhere is there a spec that dual-cards can exceed 225w each (exception GTX 780 SLI) ... when cards go 295-300w each?, it's advised to run a solo card

*(example: ATI/AMD HD5970 @ ~295w ea was not an option in Aurora, for a reason, PSU not validated to run x2 in X-Fire), GTX 690 300w only sold as solo-card

*I think at BEST, GTX 780 SLI (250w each, reference) was the top sales config, to me = the Max TDP one can run as dual-cards on that PSU

If that 875w games, keep it? Don't worry about a failed stress-test, replace w/ a better PSU when it can't stay powered on during gaming w/ those cards at their ratings. Clearly, cards rated higher than yours are now will likely cause PSU to shut down, too much card POWA for this multiple-rail 875w ... aftermarket single-rail PSU is suggested replacement ~1000w

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November 14th, 2023 10:55

"Is my 8 pin (6 + 2) connector & 6 pin connector each sharing 18 Amps? Since these two connectors are in parallel, would they be considered 1 x 12V rail?" ... Yes, each cable is on its own 12v rail, & each cable has x2 connector-pairs (6+2 150w & 6pin 75w = a 225w rated cable PAIR)(450w etc). I'll ramble for the next few minutes, do forgive. Now, I'm not surprised your spec sheet pic came from Dell.com Support, but frankly they're page is wrong (Last Published Date 21 Feb 2021 | Version 4, that's probably a clue). Suffice it to say, dual-300w cards were never a factory option, & they luv, LOVE to sell GPUs, the more Hi-Powa the more profit they make on it, but, never did sell anything better than say dual 780s (note there's no dual 5970, 590, 690 etc on this list, top cards like those weren't approved for sale in pairs, perhaps both as a powa + thermal issue they would not validate, warranty or sell etc) Alienware Aurora ALX, R1, R2, R3, R4, May Crash Or Experience Blue Screen Errors Due to Graphics Card Power Cable

True, some of the top cards on that list require dual-8pin connectors, so the original 875w is limited to dual-cards w/ a 6pin 8pin design, yet HD5970 was a 295w card w/ an 8+6pin design, perfect yet they did not sell it as an option in Aurora, & we'd suspect due to a thermal issue they couldn't validate / wouldn't warranty etc & so, 'dual-300w cards' in their specs seems a stretch to me (as does the 600w solo card! ... the cables are rated at just 450w), but the fact is, your PSU shuts off / restarts when both GPUs hit just 180+ watts (~360w total)? Dunno why, maybe age of PSU. Maybe the 24pin (non-video) 12v rail overloaded trying to supply the PCI-E lanes? Maybe the software figure isn't correct, which is an issue at times (false volt / watt readings are common in software). But 180 is way short of the 250+ watts (x2) we'd expect out of say 780 SLI. If u created a post about the Dell F1200E, I don't see your post, just a notification about it. A PSU swap may cure this shutdown/restart issue, if so, update us in the future

For better CPU cooling than your 120x27mm wide rad, check eBay often for the R4 01YGW cooler (~$50/used, 38mm wide rad) or look into H80i type coolers (38mm or x49mm wide rads)

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October 6th, 2023 13:10

It appears that your current PSU is 875 watts from a Google look, so I'm not sure what graphics card(s) you are considering that would require more wattage. However, you should confirm your PSU wattage. Not everyone has the part numbers memorized. Regardless, if you change your PSU you will absolutely need to change the cables to those that come with your new PSU. PSU cables are not interchangeable. What CPU do you have, as that may be a limiting factor in the graphics card you choose for upgrade.

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October 6th, 2023 15:23

First figure out what upgrade you want. This way you can determine the power supply requirements.

Dual card setup is not recommended anymore, and in some cases not possible anymore.

Pending on the PSU wattage you currently have, you might not need a new PSU as for example 4070 cards do not need a lot of power.

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October 6th, 2023 23:02

An RTX 4070 graphics card could be considered if it were going to be re-used in a newer build at a later in time. With the X79 chipset and maximum i7-4960X processor coupled with DDR3 RAM, an RTX 4070 would be seriously under used in the Aurora R4. However, to your point, the 875 watt PSU would be sufficient.

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October 8th, 2023 10:57

Hello Everyone,

Again I want to thank everyone for their efforts and responses. I appreciate it! Everyones responses will be taken into consideration. I really appreciated the “How to install Area 51 PSU” video. It was very helpful. Cass-Ole, your knowledge and information is priceless and is exactly useful for my situation! Cass-Ole, you have given me an excellent option to consider in upgrading and much to try and think about. I’m definitely liking the Dell 1200W VHM5V power supply option. 

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James

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October 9th, 2023 02:55

Dell ... Dellware ... they did good here. Their PSU suppliers were, are, thumbs up, I mean they tried ... & I like ... but these older Dell PSUs have a shelf-life & as I stared down several potential new aftrmrkt candidates, as I'm doing on my free time, say a Be Quiet! 1000w @ $141

New w/ warranty? Owning an R4 w/ a SeaSonic 1000w PSU swap from like 7 years ago I'm done w/ the Aurora case harness or ~13yo A51 substitute PSUs @ the prices we see today

Kick the 875w u have, and, if u wish to PSU swap to affordable aftrmrkt for any reason like I might & have ?, I'll walk u through any PSU u do buy but can't recommend any specific brand/model to buy (I've never owned a Be Quiet! but as a name brand would try one). Keep us posted 

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October 9th, 2023 16:18

Seasonic is pretty good. Have been using a 1,000 Watt version for a few years now, very stable and single +12V rail so you don't have to worry about balancing your video card load and CPU load on the triple rail systems they currently make.

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November 10th, 2023 07:04

So I managed to unscrew the four screws in the back of my computerand the power supply slid out real easy after that. Here are specs.

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November 10th, 2023 08:09

I went from the Intel Core i7 3820 to the Intel Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition, both using about 130W or more under heavy work loads. Intel Core i7 3820 only supported PCIE 2.0 x 16. I was on this bus speed with two AMD Radeon HD 7870 GHz Editions until the processor upgrade and BIOS update. For a few months I had the GIGABYTE Radeon RX 6700 XT Gaming OC on the Intel Core i7 3820 at PCIE 2.0 x 16. The Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition supports PCIE 3.0 x 16. So with a BIOS update to version A11 in 2022 my computer supported PCIE 3.0 x 16. With the Graphics card upgrade on the Intel Core i7 3820 at PCIE 2.0 x 16 going from two cards to a single card I achieved a 100% performance increase in 3Dmark 11. My score doubled. Then when I got the processor upgrade to the Core i7 4960X Extreme Edition on PCIE 3.0 x 16 I achieved an additional 35% performance increase in 3Dmark 11. My score is now 2.35 times the original score. Here is what I found on the Dell website about Alienware Aurora R4 specifications.

   

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November 10th, 2023 09:31

So I did manage to find a second graphics card on ebay for a really good deal. I searched through a lot of graphics card brands trying to find a small enough size and still pack a punch. I came up with the Gigabyte Radeon RX 6700 XT Eagle OC and it's basically a slim form edition of the GIGABYTE Radeon RX 6700 XT Gaming OC. So it measures about 1.6 inches in height and that's about three tenths of an inch thinner than the Gaming OC card. Which is a huge difference when the two cards are laying side by side. The GIGABYTE Radeon RX 6700 XT Gaming OC card is a hefty card and I hadn't realized just exactly how important size mattered until now. So it measures about 1.9 inches in height because of the thicker heat sinks and fans and when it's installed in the top PCIE slot it actually hangs over the second PCIE slot by about an eighth of an inch. Which wasn't a problem before. It almost fits in the bottom PCIE slot but the Power Supply wires and clips are too thick. Also the graphics card door has to be removed because newer bigger more powerful cards are wider than their older ancestors and is under pressure trying to close. So with some tin snips and a ton of effort and a few hours, I was able to come up with a solution and get the wires and wire clips out of the way. The bottom PCIE slot has more room than the top slot and I was able to get the Gigabyte Radeon RX 6700 XT Gaming OC here and the Gigabyte Radeon RX 6700 XT Eagle OC in the top slot. With this configuration the bottom slot becomes the primary graphics card with the monitor/tv connected and the top slot is the secondary/discrete/linked graphics card. From the Dell Alienware Aurora R4 Manual.

 

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November 11th, 2023 01:40

@James83Alienware​   very nice work . . . thanks for sharing!!

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November 11th, 2023 18:46

@ProfessorW00d​ thank you very much! 

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November 11th, 2023 21:01

Those cards are super close together. Do they get toasty?

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