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August 8th, 2024 07:07

Aurora R16, Speedshift and Speedstep options both must be disabled

Alienware Aurora R16

Alienware Aurora R16

<Always include the PC model in the title. The title should never be that long. Made the title shorter. DELL-Admin>

can anyone explain to me why Intel Speedshift and Speedstep options both must be disabled on Aurora R16, games keep crashing randomly Bug?

I do not think my pc has OC Control, or if the bios 2.8.0 does I do not see it, I can change games from performance to balance no problem, I went ahead and did the disabling of Intel Speedshift and Speedstep options.

I don't noticed that the disabling SteedStep only seems to change Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900KF 3.19 GHz instead of from 3.20 Ghz with it enabled, so I am not sure Intel SteedStep disabled is going to help keep games crashing. I think this is talking about when you load save games and it crashes right out of the game without any error messages to the desktop, jumping in Rise of the Tomb Raider of the trains tops to other train tops, I did that once in the Copper Mill Yard at the camp fire area and that's when it crashed right out of the game without any error is that related to the Intel Speedshift and Speedstep options and how they affect the Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900KF  and the NVidia 3D cards like the Nvidia RTX 4080 Super that my pc has in it? , enter the BIOS setup screens and disable the bug bios fix from that other page? and when Lara croft is battle baba yaga addon what happened was I tried to reload checkpoint and it crashed with a black screen it happened, when I heard music only playing and the voices got lost, I don't know if that bug is related to it or not. I had to do a end task from task manager in windows 11 in order to close the game, and I had to go back to the camp fire, it might be a directx 12 bug, since switching to Directx 11 in that addon part of the rise of the tomb raider seemed to fix it, but it might also have with this bug that was reported before, also the cross hair targeting went missing on me, from the save load when I had tried to load a save game instead of loading the save camp fire game point, so it caused a bad problem in the video game.

  1. Disable the OC Control option from inside the BIOS or AWCC (Alienware Command Center).
    • Disable the OC Control option from the AWCC utility, where the option is unavailable in the BIOS.
  2. In AWCC, select AlienFusion. Change the profile to Balanced mode. Note: Do not select Performance or Custom mode as this would trigger issues.

    If none of the steps above resolved the issue, enter the BIOS setup screens and disable the Intel Speedshift and Speedstep options.

other thing I noticed is by default why is the bios settings set to RAID? that was never used in my gigabyte bios for the z690 AORUS master, I do not think one SSD drive counts as RAID device? I don't really own any RAID hardware unless this pc is using some sort of RAID hardware in it that is? I think normally SATA or other setting would be the default value I don't think its related to the intel thing but I wanted to check with other to find out, from my understand you change it and windows 11 will crash with a blue screen of death, so I left it set to RAID since its default in this Alienware Aurora R16 pc, also should be share are Service Tag when we make posts here a newbie question I guess, or is it best not too, does that tell them the hardware or my hardware information like a serial number works?

the doc for this pc it doesn't tell a lot about the settings here, the real bios seems to have more information about the bios in it than the doc does about the bios sections details are a bit less. 

manual28591145-alienware-aurora-r16-owner-s-manual.pdf (dell.com)

SATA/NVME Operation
 SATA/NVME Operation mode Sets the operating mode of the integrated storage device 
controller.
 Default: RAID on

 Also this problem has been going on for some time, and yet they are still selling on dell.com this model of desktop knowing the home user is going to have to go into the bios and disable these settings on their own, are they knowingly  selling people Lemon Desktop's knowing the features will have to be disabled if they want to do any sort of gaming on them without games crashing on them, again SupportAssist hardware passes their tests for it ? for Alienware Aurora R16 with this desktop , term Lemon Desktop is like getting a Lemon Car? anyway, I hope their next bios update beyond 2.8.0 fixes these problems since my hardware seem to have the same problem as all other of the 4th gen Intel i9 processor, but for my older i9 processor 12900k which didn't seem to have this bug but that motherboard seems to fail me which is why I got this desktop a prebuilt one? maybe I shouldn't call it a Lemon desktop at least its stable for youtube watching and other stuff, but gaming might be a problem unless you like changing bios settings, which I can do, but my parents wound't like me having to change them on my own, maybe the next bios update I hope can address this problem, where games seem to crash randomly or crash with loss of sound like batman Arkham Asylum was doing, it lost sound I exited it and went back into it, less of a crash right out of the game like rise of the tomb raider and tomb raider game of the year was doing, from epic games store, plus death stranding had crashed in the beginning trailer when his bike hits her image then it crash once on me, and only once, but I think its also might be related to the processor with an nvidia 3D card maybe if that sounds about right?

I have not seen OC control in Alienware Command Center 6x, so I am not sure what its refering to in this desktop? and I do not see that under its bios settings either from its pdf doc on the topic of that, so I don't think I have any OC Control to disable.

Also note this link for games keep crashing after a while is someone else post, I did reply to it, and click that I have the same problem, which I think I do.

‎Aurora R16, games keep crashing after a while | DELL Technologies



my desktop hardware information is this below.

| Dell USA

  • Intel® Core™ i9 14900KF (68 MB cache, 24 cores, up to 6.0 GHz P-Core Thermal Velocity)

  • Windows 11 Home, English, French, Spanish

  • NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4080 SUPER, 16 GB GDDR6X

  • 32 GB: 2 x 16 GB, DDR5, 5600 MT/s

  • 2 TB, M.2, PCIe NVMe, SSD

  • 1000W Platinum Rated PSU, 240mm Liquid-Cooled CPU & Clear Side Panel

Wireless

 
Which wireless card is right for you?
Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX210, 2x2, 802.11ax, MU-MIMO, Bluetooth® wireless card

it comes with the two below but I am not using them, since I prefer keyboards that are backlit like razer or Steel Series Apex 7, and I have a good Logitech wireless mouse with its charging mouse pad already, so the stuff the desktop came with are extra like backups, I don't like non-backlit keyboards, I stopped using them years ago, since at night its helpful to be able to see the keys your typing with. I got a wireless mouse, since one of our house cats, one day bite the mouse cable on my desk with its mouse and keyboard setup, and of course broke its connection to the pc, same thing happen with a keyboard, the same indoor cat who I will not name in my post of course had bite my older Logitech keyboard and broke its cable, since then I have protection on the new keyboards cable so the cat cannot bite it again and break it. So far the cat has not tried to bite any monitor cables yet, he doesn't seem to go after that yet, which is a good thing.

Keyboard

Dell Multimedia Keyboard-KB216 Black (English)

Mouse

Dell Optical Mouse - MS116 (Black)



this also should be the same product, I think. something happened to that link I had bookmarked above.

Alienware R16 Gaming Desktop with Air Cooling & Liquid Cooling | Dell USA




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August 8th, 2024 14:19

It has to do with this announcement from Intel.

There's nothing you can currently do besides hope that your CPU has not started to degrade yet.

Once this new BIOS comes out, hopefully Dell will roll it out fast.

But even then it might already be to late for yours, as you have multiple threads with random game crashes happening on your R16. It could be related to other issues, but it's hard to say even with further testing.

And just to be clear: this is an Intel issue and not an OEM/DELL issue. Every 13/14 generation Intel desktop CPU is affected by this bug. It's a very big issue for Intel because you are talking about many sold CPU's here.

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August 8th, 2024 15:19

You can also see this article for warranty policies related to this specific Intel issue from various OEM's.

But I would wait on an official response from Dell/Alienware and take the below as a general guide.

Company Policy
Acer Responded, but no official update yet
Alienware / Dell Processors diagnosed with instability issue will be replaced "to ensure that all costs are covered", but no mention of warranty extension
Asus Two-year extended warranty for affected desktop CPUs
Corsair / Origin PC Four-year total CPU warranty on 13th- and 14th-gen Intel processors from date of purchase
CyberPowerPC Automated response sent link to standard one-year warranty for parts
Digital Storm All previous and new systems with Intel 13th- and 14th-gen CPU will include an extended five-year warranty coverage for the processor only
Falcon Northwest Intel 13th- and 14th-gen desktop processors on Intel's list will now be covered for a full five years
HP Will honor Intel's extended warranty of two years on impacted processors
iBuypower Will honor Intel's five-year extended warranty
Lenovo No response yet at the time of writing
Maingear Will be extending the processor warrant on all PCs equipped with affected 13th and 14th gen Intel Core processors to five years from the date of purchase, including delidded 14900KS processors
MSI No response yet at the time of writing
NZXT Responded, but no official update yet
Puget Systems Extending our warranty on affected CPUS to 3 years for any customer affected by this issue, regardless of warranty purchased

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August 8th, 2024 18:28

@Vanadiel​ 

so yesterday I had some sort of power failure running Death Stranding game, is it related to the 3D card or the intel CPU? I noticed it seem stable once I switched to the official studio driver, if this is not an OEM 3D card problem, like the power failure was caused by me not running their OEM NVidia Driver, I had just upgraded to their new BIOS update yesterday which was around 4am at home, I had lost track of the time, while I was on my pc, playing my tomb raider game before I run that other one. is this something I should try and contact them with the chat feature, or is this a bug I need to just wait it out for, do you have any idea why the pc would power off when loading the Death Stranding video game and rebooted the pc, it happened during the load screen for the new game option, that it did this on the official NVidia gaming driver, once I switched to the studio driver, and made sure it graphics were set to optimize settings, it played without having a power failure, it only happened to me once, and only that one video game seemed to trigger it, I ran hardware Scan from SupportAssist, and they all pass again with that test on my system? will I need them to replace my CPU or is the CPU itself and the 3D hardware good, since they both get pass in their tests provided by SupportAssist software. I think it was the NVidia driver, and video game that caused it but I cannot be sure, since I never owned an OEM 3D card before, my older pc did not have a OEM based 3D card, so I am not sure if that and not using their OEM video driver while I tried to run that game might have caused it?

when this happened, something happened to two of my Xbox app games, full throttle remastered and day of the tentacle remastered needed to be redownloaded and repaired, otherwise I think all the other games on my pc are fine still. I think it caused the SSD drive to corrupt the Xbox games I had installed, but not all of them life is strange true colors was not affected, I had just download it to this new pc.

NVIDIA system information report created on: 08/08/2024 11:33:09
NVIDIA app version: 10.0.2.207
Operating system: Microsoft Windows 11 Home, Version 10.0.22631
DirectX runtime version: DirectX 12
Driver: Studio Driver - 560.81 - Aug 5, 2024
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900KF
RAM: 32.0 GB
Storage: SSD - 1.9 TB

Graphics card
GPU processor: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER
Direct3D feature level: 12_1

this driver version is what I have installed and studio version doesn't seem to cause death stranding to crash and power off the pc, it only happened to me when I had its gaming driver installed.


I don't think its related to the new BIOS update I just applied to the pc yesterday, hoping like you wrote it would make the pc more stable.



Alienware_Aurora_R16_2.9.0_x64.exe is what I had download and used and the video game had crashed with gaming driver, but ran fine with the studio driver, I hope I am clear about it, should I open a chat here, or is there somewhere else I should file a bug report with them, if that pattern had caused a power failure, since that a bad thing I never wanted to happen with my new pc.



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August 8th, 2024 18:41

An OEM video card uses the same GPU as a retail card, but will have a more conservative power approach.

It should work regardless of using the retail driver or OEM driver, unless there's a specific issue with the VBIOS.

The issue with the Intel CPU's is very hard to troubleshoot, because each CPU will be affected differently and behave differently.

I think you already tried an EPSA test and it passed with flying colors.

A test you can try is Prime 95 torture test, which will specifically test the CPU. If your CPU passes a few hours of Prime 95 it likely is not the cause of your game crashes.

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I went ahead and did the stop test, I am not sure how long it really needed to be ran, if I need to I run it longer, but so far there was no crashing of the CPU like Death Stranding had done, when I had the Nvidia gaming driver installed, I used CPU-Z before, but I don't know if it does this type of stress test, or at least I never tried its stress test that long either, if I have to run it for more than a hour than fine, but I want to play on my video games, I try it later, but I am not sure if the CPU caused it or some bad programing in that one game, since I was playing on rise of the tomb raider for hours without any problems. it was only when I tried to run Death Stranding that I had a problem.



during the test, I did see it go up to 4 Ghz but it did longer it ran go back down to 3 Ghz values on the CPU. I think the 4 Ghz hit 4.70 about that number more or less, but I don't remember it value, but I want to say it stayed below 4.80 Ghz. but then when I got the Stress test messsage refering to the stress.txt saying to Test/Stop some of the tests, I am guessing it doesn't need 3 hours to run on this processor maybe? anyway I ran it for less than a hour maybe close to a hour, but not 2 even hours, I can try to run it longer, but I don't want to stress the hardware too much if its not really needed, windows 11 itself stayed stable as far as I can tell the whole time so. the max DDR is 32.0 GB (31.7 GB usable) and that Prime 95 test wanted to use it all is that normal? in any case, it released the memory once it was done, I am not sure how much memory Death Stranding used or rise of the Tomb raider, but I think its less than the max, I don't think video games normally use that much, just these stress tests might I guess use a lot when they run.






the test did use a lot of the DDR 5 memory, it's at 6.2 GB used now, with that software closed.



The CPU value when I am just running edge, and my normal pc software like logitech and Nvidia app, and that keyboard software called SteelSeries GG, Samsung Magician software in the system tray bar on Windows 11, below is the normal values when Prime 95 was not running on this pc.

Also I looked at the Death Stranding files that epic games launcher provides I hope it's up to date, in any case, the files themselves are listed as 12/27/2022 as the last modified date in its game directory, so this game and I guess a lot of them haven't had patches or updates for 2023 or 2024, but I guess they had not needed any updates maybe since then?

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August 9th, 2024 07:16

@Vanadiel​ 

I noticed in Alienware Command Center that GPU Utilzation was being used more than CPU Utilization for the Death Stranding game if that means anything about the power failure


I exported the talk with Copilot, I used its export to word feature, I also shared it with the user who asked if they bios nerfed power with the 2.9.0 BIOS, I don't know if the games problem is related to the Bios but I do hope its more stable than it was, it did help for me it seems like switching to the studio nvidia drivers.



You 

new bios nerfed power 

Copilot 

It looks like the recent BIOS updates for Intel's 13th and 14th Gen CPUs have indeed caused some power-related issues. Specifically, these updates were meant to address stability problems caused by elevated operating voltages [1] [2]. However, some users have reported that the updates have also led to a reduction in performance, which might be what you're experiencing. 

If you're noticing a drop in power or performance, it could be due to these BIOS changes. Intel and motherboard manufacturers like ASUS and MSI have started rolling out fixes, but it's important to ensure your system is updated with the latest BIOS version [2]. 

Have you updated your BIOS recently, or are you experiencing any specific issues with your system? 

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 8/8/2024 

  1. Intel CPU crashes: what you need to know—first BIOS updates are here ... 
  1. The first motherboard BIOS updates arrive to help clean up Intel's CPU mess 
  1. Intel clarifies what BIOS settings 13th/14th Gen CPUs should be used ... 

You 

I am using a alienware Aurora R16 pc, I had to switch to the nvidia studio driver, after a power failure with the Nvidia gaming driver, same version as the studio driver, but I think maybe the studio driver is more stable, and didn't affect the CPU or anyway I had upgraded the bios Dell Alienware just update their bios to 2.9.0, and not much details were released about what been fixed, or at least their website didn't tell me much, it was released on Aug. 8 2024 and its download file was Alienware_Aurora_R16_2.9.0_x64.exe 

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=hmdp0&oscode=w2021&productcode=alienware-aurora-r16-desktop 

I was playing Death Stranding and during the loading screen for the game on new game, it load about 33% percent of the game then the power turn off to the pc, and back on, I think its called a hard reboot when a system does that, or power failure, all the RGB lights went off and then back on, as if I pressed the power button. nvidia driver version for both studio and gaming version is 560.81 released on Aug. 6 2024, but the studio driver, I was able to play Death Stranding without it having a power failure using the pc with the 2.9.0 bios already loaded. I also on the gamer driver had the bios at 2.9.0, the pc has Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900KF 3.20 GHz and the 3D card is Nvidia RTX 4080 Super, its a OEM 3D card that came with the Alienware Aurora R16 desktop. does it sound like it was the CPU or 3D card that caused the power failure to you? someone wrote in a post that they might of new bios nerfed power for the CPU, but I am not sure its the CPU that did it, or was both related to the 3D card, with the CPU. in my next reply I share the image of Alienware Command Center to see what you think, the games don't seem to use the CPU much, it looks like almost all the work is being handle by the GPU instead if the data on the alienware commmand center is correct. 

Copilot 

Thanks for sharing the details and the link. Based on what you've described, it seems like the issue could be related to a few different factors: 

  1. BIOS Update: The recent BIOS update (version 2.9.0) for your Alienware Aurora R16 might have introduced changes that affect power management. While the update aims to improve system stability, it could also have inadvertently affected the power delivery to the CPU or GPU [6]. 
  1. NVIDIA Drivers: The fact that switching to the NVIDIA Studio driver resolved the issue suggests that the gaming driver might have been causing instability. The Studio driver is typically more stable and optimized for creative applications, which might explain why it didn't cause the same power failure [6]. 
  1. Power Supply: A hard reboot or power failure during a game could indicate that the power supply unit (PSU) is being pushed to its limits. The RTX 4080 Super is a powerful GPU, and combined with the i9-14900KF, it could be drawing a significant amount of power, especially under heavy load. 
  1. Thermal Issues: Overheating can also cause sudden reboots. Ensure that your system's cooling is adequate and that there are no thermal throttling issues. 

Given that the games seem to be utilizing the GPU more than the CPU, it's possible that the GPU is the primary factor in the power failure. However, the BIOS update and the drivers could also be contributing factors. 

To further diagnose the issue, you might want to: 

  • Monitor the temperatures of both the CPU and GPU during gaming sessions. 
  • Check the power draw of your system using tools like HWMonitor or MSI Afterburner. 
  • Ensure that your PSU is capable of handling the power requirements of your components. 

Feel free to share the image of the Alienware Command Center, and I can take a closer look at the data. 

[6]: Dell Support - Alienware Aurora R16 BIOS Update 

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 8/8/2024 

  1. Alienware Aurora R16 System BIOS | Driver Details | Dell US 
  1. https://docs.esix.co/ENOS/System 
  1. https://softdeluxe.com/Browser-Resize-3884096 
  1. https://kb.ctera.com/docs/email-notification-templates-4 
  1. https://www.transposit.com/devops-blog/incident-management/2019.12.13-querying... 
  1. https://www.dapperfoxdesign.com/blog/2015/7/7/seo-basics-mini-series-2-of-4 
  1. Alienware Aurora R16 System BIOS | Driver Details | Dell US 
  1. Support for Alienware Aurora R16 | Drivers & Downloads - Dell 

You 

if you look at the data for the video game does it seem like the cpu is not being usd much? CPU Utilization value seems to go from 0 to 1 to 2 to 3 and 4 on the CPU, the GPU Utilization value seems a lot higher from the recorded data, as seen by the screenshot I am sharing here with you, what do you think? the spike is at 80% for GPU Utilization from that screenshot, 36% is the GPU utilization line rate it seems. 


Copilot 

From the data in your screenshot, it does appear that the CPU is not being heavily utilized during your gaming sessions. The CPU utilization values are quite low, ranging from 0% to 4%, which indicates minimal usage. On the other hand, the GPU utilization is significantly higher, with spikes reaching up to 80% and an average around 36%. 

This suggests that "Death Stranding" is more GPU-intensive, relying heavily on your RTX 4080 Super for rendering and processing tasks. The low CPU usage is typical for games that are optimized to offload most of the workload to the GPU. 

Given this information, it seems more likely that the power failure you experienced was related to the GPU rather than the CPU. The high GPU utilization could have caused a sudden spike in power demand, leading to the hard reboot. 

To further ensure stability, you might want to: 

  • Monitor temperatures: Keep an eye on both CPU and GPU temperatures to ensure they are within safe limits. 
  • Check power supply: Make sure your PSU is adequate for your system's power requirements. 
  • Update drivers: Continue using the more stable NVIDIA Studio driver if it prevents power failures. 

If you have any more questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask! 

Source: Conversation with Copilot, 8/8/2024 

  1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv00oYZveEY 
  1. https://forum.shotcut.org/t/shotcut-increasing-raw-videos-brightness-fixed-solution... 
  1. https://blog.nathanv.me/posts/not-so-budget-home-network 
  1. https://www.reddit.com/r/foobar2000/comments/9qoun9/another_dark_setup_nice_and_clean 
  1. https://www.bestcrazygames.com/blog/how-to-optimize-audio-files-in-unity-games 

 

Please note that all the links with numbers are provided by copilot, and some don't have anything to do with the topic, I am not sure why it's using some sources here, I think one or two of them are even dead links copilot provided in the export word document. - wanted to share that information, that the links are generated by copilot, and are not always helpful it seems.






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August 14th, 2024 02:23

@Vanadiel​ I'm sorry but I have to say one thing here.

This is an OEM/DELL issue. I paid them. They sold me the product. The customer relationship here is between me and Dell. 

Yes, the supplier (Intel) is the ultimate source of the issue, but that does not mean that Dell gets a pass on how they handle the interactions between Dell and their customers. I don't want Dell telling me how it's all Intel's fault. I want Dell telling me how they will support me through this issue regardless of which supplier caused the underlying problem. 

Dell owns the customer relationship here, so it is very much a "OEM/DELL issue". If people start demanding refunds it won't be for the cost of the chip. 

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August 14th, 2024 14:09

@TexasChipmunk​ I don't speak for Dell, I am not employed by Dell.

I only speak for myself, not for Dell.

The issue is global, due to issues with these 2 generations of CPU's. Every OEM is affected by this, and every retail customer is affected by this also.

It's a very serious problem, and each OEM will handle it according to their warranty contracts with their customers.

What I do know is that demanding refunds does not work, as the warranty periods are very well written out in the purchase contract, with very clear stipulations on things like refunds.

And I agree, Dell should be announcing how they will handle this issue in a public matter, so customers know what to expect.

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