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February 27th, 2004 17:00

Can servers be used like regular PC's?

I want to get a computer that is cheap, and won't slow down from too many programs open.

Can servers be used like regular PC's?


If a server and non-server were matched up against each other with equal RAM, HD - size, similar CPU speed, similar Clock speed, video, and sound. What would be the performance differance?

I know servers have the ability to be many times better in HD size and RAM.

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February 28th, 2004 04:00

Hi

   Well now its all a question of money isn't it.  I have a Power Edge 4200 with 512 meg of Ram and dual PII, 333 CPUs and did that for awhile.  It was a waste of power and time.  What you gonna do with the Big Dog computer that you think you need a server for ??  Do you have a T1 connection ??   If not, any P4 2 Gig +, with a Gig of memory and a gamer Video card will do you just fine.   Window XP Pro would be the best compatability and stability wise.   Plus its 2 CPU capable.

                                                                              Vince

Dell Dimension XPS-T 600 Now, PL 1.4 Ghz
768 meg RAM
Nvidia PNY Ti-4200 64 Meg
West Dig 80 Gig HD
Rest is stock

Dell 4300 Was P4 1.6 Now P4 2.4
Radeon 8500 64 Meg
512 Meg Ram
The Rest Stock Dell

Inspiron 4000 320 Meg RAM, rest is stock

Power Edge 4200, Dual PII-333
512 Meg RAM
Matrox Gloria XL 16 Meg PCI Video Card

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February 28th, 2004 14:00

Short answer:

Sure, why not?

Long answer:

There are in fact quite a number of people running the PowerEdge 400SC boxes as workstations, they are very aggressively priced for those that don't need an included OS.  The real difference is that most server boxes don't have AGP slots for higher-end video cards, the 400SC is the exception because has an "unsupported" 4x/8x AGP slot that lots of people have had success with, while others have struggled getting the right card to boot up.  The 400SC comes with an older generation PCI ATI-RageXL 8MB card which is really slow by todays standards; not really important for running a server but terrible for 3D gaming.

Some other "gotchas" you might find about using a server platform for your workstation:

  • Servers have a propensity to use the newer 3.3V 64-bit/66MHz PCI/PCI-X slots, these are great for fast NIC cards or RAID adapters, but finding -- say -- a 3.3V 64-bit PCI sound card to run in the PowerEdge 600SC has been a real challenge for some here in these forums.  There are no PCI-X video cards right now, there may never be.
  • Dual processor server boxes use server-type Xeon processors instead of P4s, the Xeon can be much more powerful from the dual processors and huge on-board cache but tend to lag behind the P4 in processor bus and memory speeds.  (The current crop of Xeons are 533MHz FSB while the latest P4s are 800MHz FSB.)
  • Higher end servers are exclusively SCSI and over-fanned, so they tend to be as noisy as they are fast.  Who cares how loud your server room is?  OTOH the PC sitting under your desk in your den is another story.
  • The version of XP that came on your older PC is likely an OEM version, in that case it probably is licensed to be run only for the PC you bought it with (you did wonder how come it was so cheap preinstalled, right?).  It may not be legal to reinstall on another PC.  Take some time and read those EULAs!  Its no accident that Microsoft has the PC vendors physically attach those license stickers to the side of the case!  Of course, Linux users are generally not affected by all this. 

This may be heresy to say this here in the PowerEdge forums, but if you really want a high-end workstation why not just get one?  The Precision 360 is based on the same P4 800MHz FSB mobo design as the PowerEdge 400SC.  The Precision 450 is supports up to two hyperthreaded Xeon processors at 533MHz FSB and XP Pro supports up to two processors.  Both have mobos built on fantastic platforms and support normal workstation/desktop peripherals.  And, if you really don't need an OS, Dell sells the 360n and 450n versions without Windows/Linux/etc. installed.

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February 29th, 2004 04:00

I just want alot of power for less. All I need is the basic components - cpu, motherboard, chipset, ram. The rest I already have. Another thing I want is expandability.

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March 3rd, 2004 16:00

Just get a Dell 400SC "barebones" and load it up (AGP video, big IDE drives, DVD/CD burner, etc...) That's what I did and it's a very affordable way to ghet a great system. I'm running WinXP and have 2GB of RAM and 750GB hard disk.

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March 30th, 2004 00:00

Some will say that it was overkill but I purchased a used Power Edge 2300 system. Then bought 2 Pentium3 500E cpus.

The 2300 was a GX chipset system so adding 2 Gigs of PC100 Ram was a snap. Then removed the old 9 gig SCSI drives and added a 73 gig SCSI drive.

Put a Geforce 5200 PCI video card in with 256 Megs of video ram.

Then added a CMI8738 PCI Sound card.

Then installed Windows XP on the system.

I can say that In some cases this SMP system runs faster than my
2.8ghz Pentium4 system with intel extreme junk Graphics.

I could of course Add a Radeon9800 pro to the mix for $220 from newegg but what I wanted was a low cost system that performed well. I also turned off virtual memory to the hard drive. This seems to have speeded things up also.

Total cost of the used server, cpus, memory, and scsi drive was actually MORE than buying a new Pentium4 system. However I did not have to buy everything at once. The cpus were $40 each.
Drive was $200, Memory was $400 for 2 gigs. PCI Video card was $99 and the sound card was $9.

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March 30th, 2004 04:00

I recently just decided to go with a referbished Dell 2400, which s**ks in so many ways, but alot of the specs were good for the price.

$2300 specs for only $757 including S&H and tax.

Thanks all you guy!

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March 30th, 2004 10:00



@ldtwo wrote:

I recently just decided to go with a referbished Dell 2400, which s**ks in so many ways, but alot of the specs were good for the price. $2300 specs for only $757 including S&H and tax.

Thanks all you guy!


http://www.memoryx.net/3111107.html

512MB Dell PowerEdge 168 pin ECC Registered DIMM
311-1107, 311-1835, KTD-PE1550/512, 3110848, 311-0840

512MB 168p PC133 Reg ECC 18c 64x4 SDRAM DIMM

This module is low profile and can also be used in 1U rackmount chassis.
New, Lifetime warranty

Compatible with Dell PowerApp 120, PowerEdge 500SC, 1400, 1400SC, 1500, 1500SC, 1550, 1650, 2400, 2500, 2500C, 2500SC, 2550, 7150, PowerEdge Blade Server 1655MC, PowerVault 750N, Precision Workstation 730
 
4 of these allow 2 gigs of ram.

311-1107 38L6JSLR-1AAG  $118.98

My used Power edge 2300 was $129.00 purchased directly from a local vendor with No memory,  or cpu's etc.

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April 1st, 2004 04:00

SpeedStep, that's pretty impressive. Good for you!

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April 1st, 2004 23:00

There are tons of 2300's on Ebay etc but they are like 80 pounds to ship so even if you do UPS Ground its over $100 for shipping.


I tend to stick with local vendors that I can drive to to pickup the items Im looking for.

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April 2nd, 2004 14:00

The first computor I bought was $10 at a garage sale. It still runs well, but there are many limits, like BIOS and CPU speed. The CPU was very unique in shape. It looked like a game cartridge. People practically gave valubles away for no where near the value sometimes. I often scower eBay for items at cheap prices.

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September 16th, 2004 07:00

i've just brough a POWEREDGE SERVER 400SC, this is the link,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5718947335
do you think it's a bargain because its the firt time i try to get a DELL PC, and all i want to have is a normal PC.
As your exprience, i have to change what to get a power PC, because i'm afraid that it not support to change the PCI card, and the Memory.
Thank for your help
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