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October 30th, 2002 02:00

Latitude AC Adapter Issue

Has anyone run into a problem where your AC Adapter just stops supplying power to the laptop.  I have run into this consistantly for some time now and I can't figure out what is causing it.  Is the adapter overheating?  The symptoms of this are basically that I'll start my machine up and plug it in around the same time and after about two or three minutes - sometimes less than that, the AC Adapter light goes out and there is no more power passed to the laptop.  If I unplug the cord from the power strip and replug, it works fine.  Most of the time, lately, I have run into a problem where I replug the cord and it charges for a few minutes and then turns off again.  I thought it might be software related but I can't find any consistancy or pattern.  I experimented with it a bit more today and kept my taskbar open (with the charger icon showing in the tray) and it continued to charge but as soon as I shifted focus to another application the power went out.  It's quite weird.  Any help would be great.

Thanks!

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October 30th, 2002 06:00

I have the same problem with my latitude C840.

I contacted Dell helpdesk but this is not a known issue.  I tried four AC-adapters and all of them stops supplying power to the laptop at a short time. Also the AC Adapter light goes out.

They replaced a powersupply-card in the notebook on 27th of oktober. So far no problems.

Message Edited by Hulta01 on 11-22-2002 07:32 AM

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November 22nd, 2002 11:00

Now on 22th of november I have the same problem again.

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January 2nd, 2003 09:00

I have the same problem, returned from Xmas break and the power adaptor of my docking station was still active, docked my C800 laptop now the green LEDs keeps powering off. Opon re-powering the power cord on the adaptor the adaptor then powers up for about 5 to 10 mins.

Something on the OS must be causing this, I am running WinXP.

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January 6th, 2003 15:00

We have about 100+ C800's out of our shop and a majority of our systems have this same problem. As said before, Dell denies this is a known issue. Dell support told me to update the bios. This did nothing except take the machine out of our testing compliance .

The trick we found was to unplug the adapter from the laptop, boot it and wait a few minutes. Then plug the adapter back into the back of the laptop making sure the adapters green light is on first. This seems to hold the power on.

If anyone finds anything else more permanent of a fix, please let me know.

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January 6th, 2003 16:00

FYI,  you *can* go backwards with the BIOS.  IIRC,  Dell provides instructions on the flash diskette on how to install an older BIOS revision on your system.

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January 13th, 2003 16:00

I'll add my concerns, we have 12 of these c840's four have had this problem.  I am currently trying to diagnose one that began last week (green light on power supply goes off after a few minutes, laptop starts running off of battery instead).  According to user happens docked and undocked.  I have tried swapping power supply, docking station, battery, and updating the bios to A06.  A workaround I found that the users do is to remove the battery altogether, thereby forcing the laptop to run off the AC power.  I'm starting to think there may be a defect in the software load from Dell. Any opinions from others experiencing this are appreciated. 

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January 13th, 2003 18:00

Have you checked the AC outlet that the adapters are connected to?  I seem to recall that issues like this happen if you have an outlet which is not properly wired,  or if the line voltage on that outlet drops below about 100V.  I used to have a UPS which kept kicking to battery all of the time and after doing research found that the line voltage at that outlet was varying from 93-108V and when it got below 100,  the UPS would kick to battery.  Any lamp,  or PC,  or anything else I plugged into that ourlet showed no visible signess of problems,  but the UPS caught it for me...

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January 17th, 2003 14:00

All,

Thank you for using the Dell Community Forum.

If you continue to have problems where the AC adapter seems to shut off, then please contact Technical Support.

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January 29th, 2003 15:00

I've had the same issue with a few laptops now. One thing that I'm not sure people have noticed is that the laptop will reliably charge when it is off. I really appreciate the idea of pulling the battery to force AC. Too bad that Dell won't admit this is a known issue and offer some type of recall for devices that are experiencing it. Bad wiring it isn't since any outlet produces the same result. A series of 8 batteries produced the same result. docked and undocked produce the same result. Power management on/off produce the same result. It seems that once it starts doing it it doesn't go away. But the laptop I'm working with now didn't have the problem when I started working with it and it definitely does now.

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February 11th, 2003 12:00

Just a note to let you know that my C840 has this same behavior running Mandrake Linux 9.0, so it's not only a Windows problem.  Hardware or Bios??

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February 12th, 2003 18:00

I have the same kind of issues with my Latitude C840, but it's even more weird. First, the laptop switchs from AC Power to battery even if the power cable is plugged. My first guess was that it is an adapter or cable issue but this is not the case as I am unable to boot from the internal battery (although the load is 100%). So I need to boot from AC power, then the labtop switch automatically to internal battery (after a few seconds) and when I remove the cable, the labtop switches off !! (this is the weird part of m problem). I must add that the green LED on the external adaptor is always on. 

This is not an OS issue as I've a dual boot with Windows XP Pro / Linux Mandrake 9.0 and I get the same behaviour with both OS's. In my opinion, either it is a BIOS issue (but I won't take the risk to change the BIOS as an outage during the upgrade could definitively crash the machine) or it is a Quality Assurance issue with the motherboard.

I haven't called Dell yet but when I read this message board, I suprised they are not aware of this issue.

My 0.02,

Thierry

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February 14th, 2003 19:00

hmmm, i am not too familiar with the model, what is the wattage on the power supply? Dell has 2 kinds, a 70 watt and 90 watt. Does anyone have a 90 watt power supply and still the same issue?

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February 15th, 2003 10:00

>> This is not an OS issue as I've a dual boot with Windows XP Pro / Linux Mandrake 9.0 and I get the same behaviour with both OS's. In my opinion, either it is a BIOS issue (but I won't take the risk to change the BIOS as an outage during the upgrade could definitively crash the machine) or it is a Quality Assurance issue with the motherboard.

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Could be a corrupted BIOS? From memory there's a 'Restore Defaults' type entry somewhere in most BIOS programs, but I can't check the options on my C840 while I'm typing this.  If you can find this option it should be safe enough to try, the danger with power fail is a reboot part-way through writing the complete BIOS program - not just changing the settings on existing program.

Agree about the risk of flashing the BIOS with your weird symptoms.  I'd call Dell's phone support mention your concerns, and have the tech advise and instruct... that way you know where to sue if it fails.

Another thing worth trying might be to disable all power management in the BIOS setup screens.

Reading your msg again, you might even be looking at more than one defect. If you can test your battery and PSU on another C840 and/or borrow a known good battery and PSU for testing it would be worth a try so you can give TS the full picture when you call. Make sure the PSU brick is the 90 Watt PA9 series, not the 70W model from a lesser laptop.

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February 19th, 2003 19:00

My C800 running BIOS A21 and Win2K has experienced this problem intermittently.  Just checked and I have the PA-6 series adapter (70W).  Overheating seems a likely cause, since I generally keep two batteries installed and this problem occurs most often when they are pretty low on charge.  If the charger shuts off, I pull one battery for a while, reset the charger (disconnect and reconnect) and usually have no further problems. 

The deep discharge is usually because the system self-started from a Fn-Esc "Suspend" and drained itself while it was in my bag.  Haven't solved that problem yet.

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February 19th, 2003 22:00

Rick, this is good info which tends to support the overcurrent/overheat theory.

I've never experienced uncommanded de-suspend, but I have noticed a few occasions when my old notebook (CPxJ) failed to suspend on closing the lid or hitting the button.  Weird things in memory suspected, a reboot always seems to fix it. The only things which come to mind to trigger return from suspended condition are that something snagged the lid latch in transit, or you have an intermittent defective lid switch (will be a PITA to diagnose). 

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