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June 6th, 2004 19:00

Laptop Locking Up

hey i have a pentium 3 500mhz laptop i just bought from a friend but it doesnt wanna start sometimes like th epower goes on then itill shut off before going to the bios othertimes itill start up then freeze up in windows if u move the laptop or something i cant figure out what it can possibly be thats making it lock up or not start im guessing its the same thing thats either making it not start sometimes or why its locking up.

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June 6th, 2004 19:00

service tagis G1M1601 its a latitude p3 500 128megs of ram laptop uhm it runs windows xp pro sp1

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June 6th, 2004 19:00

It would help to know the specific model of the system (or at least the System Service Tag ID, which should be on a label on the bottom).  It would also help to know which operating system you're running.  This information should always be included in requests for help with any issue.

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June 6th, 2004 20:00

For the record, you have a Latitude CPxJ model.  You might want to create an account with Support, so that you can log in under that tag ID and see specific documents and downloads for that model/tag, which will make troubleshooting and updates simpler in the future.

https://support.dell.com/myaccount/createmyaccount.aspx

In the mean time, this link will get you to the manuals and documentation for that model:

http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/systems/pcpxhj/

Select your language preference, and you can then download/view documentation for the system.  For the .pdf documents (service manual, etc.) you need to right click on the links and select "Save As..." and download the documents to your hard drive, as attempting to open/view them on line can cause some serious crashes.  I'd recommend download the HTML Users Guide, and reviewing the information there under "Troubleshooting Your Computer" which pertains to the Dell Diagnostics.  You'll want to create a set of the floppy diskette version of the Diags and keep them handy for instances such as this.  Any time hardware is the suspected cause of a problem, you can run the Diags and get detailed information on the hardware performance, as well as a log of any errors that might surface during the tests.  I'd recommend running these tests first (preferably the Thorough version, rather than Quick Tests), and reporting the results back here when they're finished.  You can download the most recent version of the Diags using the Downloads tab above (make sure you have the correct system model selected) and run them by booting to diskette 1 of the series, then just follow the instructions to load the other 4.  If you leave diskette 5 in during the testing, you can save a copy of the log file to it in .txt format, then review it/report the results later.

Another distinct possibility is your inadequate RAM.  Windows XP needs at least 256 MB to perform even adequately (especially on notebooks), so you might want to think about at least doubling (tripling would be better) your current complement.  Depending on what you're trying to do with the system and how much stuff you have running when this happens, this could have a lot to do with why it's locking up.

You might also want to check your current BIOS version and compare it to what's available via the Downloads tab above.  A16 is the most recent version available there, and particularly since you're running Windows XP, that's probably what you should have installed.  BIOS updates frequently address problems like you're experiencing, and in light of the fact that the system was built prior to the release of Windows XP, it's a good idea to get as current as possible.

Assuming the system passes the Diags OK, you'll want to make sure that your Anti Virus protection is functioning properly and that it's up to date, and run a system scan for viruses, as well as a scan for malware, using something like AdAware and/or SpyBot Search and Destroy.

Once these troubleshooting steps have been properly completed, report the results back here for more assistance if necessary, but the first thing I'd do is update the BIOS and order some more RAM for that system, if you're planning on leaving WinXP on there.

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/  (AdAware - free version)

http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?lang=en&page=download  (Spybot S&D)

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June 6th, 2004 22:00

hmm well my buddy who sold it to me is running a celeron 466mhz with 128megs of ram its a laptop as well and it runs flawless doesnt lockup and it always starts up with the power button i run antivirus so there is no viruses all the computer has is sp1 installed and norton anti-virus thats all. would a bad cpu or motherboard just cause the random lockups? it was locking up before even entering the bios so i know its not the OS

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June 6th, 2004 23:00

i ran the delldiag program from windows XP on the laptop and it gave me this error

Abnormal Program termination: Memory protection fault CS:EIP = 01FFh:0000BB99h

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June 6th, 2004 23:00

i think its something lose maybe inside because if its working and the laptop itself is on a desk or something its fine but sometimes when umove it it will lockup then u just gotta smack the bottom side of the laptop and itill work again.

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June 7th, 2004 21:00

i got this error when i was in windows it was a blue screen

Stop 0x0000000A or IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

i looked it up but it really never explained what it could be

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June 8th, 2004 20:00

I have the exact same problem... I also have a CPxJ pIII 650MHz.  I found a temporary solution from Stonent's website http://home.comcast.net/~stonent/.  This seems to be a common problem with these laptops.  you have to remove the keyboard and reseat the processor.  This works for me, but after a while it still will do the same thing.  I tried different RAM with the same results.  Good Luck to anyone else who has this problem.

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June 8th, 2004 23:00

himm do they sell a kit or anything to replace the seating so it wont do this?

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June 9th, 2004 00:00

Dell's website has a manual that describes how to remove your processor, but I suspect that a few of the models are different and have different brackets.  I suggest you open it up and looking at the bracket you have so you can order accordingly.  For some strange feeling I have, all these problems that these laptops have  is all heat related.

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June 9th, 2004 16:00

Some history on my cpxj... The first time it froze and locked-up, it was sitting on a bean bag.  I noticed it had shutdown and that the bottom was pretty warm. When I tried to restart, it turned on all the lights but would not boot.  I moved it to a table and waited for like 10 minutes and then it booted up.  But since then it would exihibit the symptoms that disovle described.  I bought new RAM... ran diagnostics on it, no avail.  I  found stonent's website and tried the reseating thing which worked well for a time but then started doing the same thing.  Yesterday, i posted that I thought it was heat related and went out and bought new thermal tape and replaced all the old tape.  So far it has not shutdown once and has booted up fine.  We will see how long this lasts.  I am not sure that thermal tape goes bad, but what the heck, I am trying everything.  The Dell manual says to remove the processor with a removal tool, you do not need one.  To remove the processor, with the fan on the upper right corner, lift the processor from the right side and it will come out(I have done this many times).  To install the processor, line up everything and then you need to push down until you feel it catch, make sure you replace all the screws and good luck. 

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June 10th, 2004 00:00

yeah i was able to reseat it but i pushed pretty hard and was hearing the cpu bout the crack then i made sure those screws were tight as hell and its been fine. do you know if by chance the cpt is the same computer at the cpx minus the fact 1 is a celeron cuz maybe ill switch the cpu into the cpt if its heat releated or just buy a new heatsink and fan they are 8bux on ebay

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June 11th, 2004 16:00

The CPT is a CPx with the main difference being the celeron processor.  If you put in a PIII it becomes a CPx.

it uses the same Mainboard chipset which should support either processor.  However, you might make sure that the RAM in the CPT can support 100Mhz FSB.  Older Celerons had a FSB of 66Mhz.

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June 11th, 2004 17:00

well i tried it and it didnt work the computer booted up and said cpxj650 but it kept getting an error i think its the cpts and the cpxj that are the same i have a cptv and yeah the ram in my celeron is pc100

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June 11th, 2004 19:00

Have you updated the BIOS to the latest version?  If you have then sorry it didn't work out
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