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November 23rd, 2006 23:00

AGEIA physX accelerator

Hello. I'm about to put the ole Dimension 8200 workhorse out to pasture and when doing an online build of the XPS 710 I noticed the AGEIA physX accelerator does not show up as being available during the build process yet during the build process of an XPS 700 I noticed the AGEIA physX accelerator ($249.00) does show up as being available. I'm thinking about building the XPS 710 system and would like to know if their is a reason why the AGEIA physX accelerator ($249.00) is offered on the XPS 700 build and not the XPS 710 build. Also I do like gaming and am trying to decide if I should do 2 or 4 gigs of memory.   Thank You.

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November 24th, 2006 00:00

Just my opinion:
 
Maybe Dell knows something we do not, ie.  future DX10 cards will have phys x on them or maybe dell didn't sell enough to AGEIA physX cards on previous machines to justify the hassle/cost.  I don't think you need one at this point as the demand is not there and if they are not integrated into dx10 cards, when the time warrants one I'm sure the price will drop.
 
I'd go with 4 gigs if you can afford it as vista will support it. But if it's a choice between a better processor or video card, go with the better processor.  You can always upgrade the video card and ram later.  I'd go with the cheapest card dell offers and grab a dx10 card from a retailor.

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November 24th, 2006 00:00

You don't want one. They officially announced a price cut to 149 to 179 first off and second there is still no games that show a good enough benefit to be worth it.

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November 24th, 2006 01:00

tphillips63 is right. There is no real reason to buy the aegia as there is no noticeable difference if you have one. First off, the game has to be written with aegia in mind to take advantage of it. There are about 10 games that utilize this technology. The talk for the future is that cards in SLI or crossfire will use the second GPU as a physx accelerator, or that the second core of a multi core CPU will handle these equations. either way, you won't miss having one IMO.

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November 24th, 2006 11:00

Things could be changing:

In the face of upcoming competition from graphics card-based physics processing, Ageia has decided to make its PhysX toolkit freely available. Game developers can now download and use the PhysX SDK and distribute the PhysX runtime with their games without paying any royalties to Ageia. The PhysX SDK can be downloaded right now from Ageia's Developer Support site, although the company mandates that developers register, fill out a form with their details, and keep that form up to date.

This move follows a drop in PhysX card prices and the introduction of PhysX game bundles at some online retailers

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November 24th, 2006 16:00

I read this the other day myself and if they had done that from the first we might have good games using the card today. As it is its too little and maybe too late.

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November 24th, 2006 17:00

Do not buy the Aegia physics accelerator.  First, the usefulness of the card today is close to zero -- certainly not worth the cost and loss of a pci slot.  Second, I have a very high level of confidence that physics processing technology will end up developing in a different direction, using the CPU, the GPUs, etc.  There's just no way the big boys like Intel and Nvidia and AMD/ATI (and even Microsoft which is in this game too) are going to let Aegia's standalone card become the solution of choice.
 
Funny by the way that Dell offers this useless physics card but still is not selling the 8800 video cards in their boxes.  The new GPUs would provide an enormously greater benefit to your gaming experience. 
 
I hear a lot of talk about how it takes Dell longer to offer new video cards because of their rigorous testing, but these are off the shelf parts.  Nvidia and the card manufacturers do a lot of testing already before these cards hit the retail market.  Not to say that there won't be glitches or a need for drivers to mature with new technology, bu my strong suspicion is Dell's testing has nothing to do with the quality of the video cards and everything to do with the fact that you never know whether or not a new piece of technology is going to work in Dell's cut-corner, gimped-down motherboards.

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November 24th, 2006 17:00

Read the XPS 700 issues thread! You DON'T want an XPS 710... they face the same problems as the XPS 700 does. DO NOT buy an XPS 700/710...

Message Edited by vbc_bnt on 11-24-200611:15 AM

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November 24th, 2006 19:00

Aivas47 u are 100% correct in all yout Points about Dell  .  i read on a tech site some where that some 8800 GTX cards have better support for physics

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November 25th, 2006 23:00

I would like to thank all you guys for your input and recommendations in reference to my AGEIA physX accelerator and memory amount (2 or 4 gigs) questions. I have a much better understanding of it now and will not! include it in my online XPS 710 or XPS 700 build.---- However I have also taken vbc_bnt 's advice and have read many of the XPS 700 Series issues thread, Mobo, On Off switch, etc,etc,etc,etc,. I have decided to hold off on the purchase of the online XPS 710 build. At least until these issues are corrected and or resolved to some degree! --- Again "Thank You All"! very much for your informational input and "Help"!  -----  Respectfully,  Robert_Allen

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November 26th, 2006 21:00

No problem, many of us rely on this forum for help and advice.  The least we can do in return is weigh in if there is a question on a topic with which we may be familiar.  Thanks for posting your thanks, the friendliness and courtesy of (most) participants is a big part of what makes this forum such a good one. 
 
Good luck with your purchase whatever you decide to do.  One additional comment:  rumor is the next XPS model, the 800, will be based on Nvidia's new 680i chipset.  You might want to follow the reviews (and forum postings too of course!) on that and consider waiting a bit longer -- early indications are the 680 based motherboards will be far superior to the 590 models on which the XPS700/710 is based.

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November 27th, 2006 00:00

Aivas47a,--- Just read your last post and as a result of it's content I will plan on doing "just that",waiting for the 680i based motherboards! --- Once Again, "THANK YOU"!!       Robert_Allen.
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